Goat Creek Trail

In& out most of the elevation gain is in the first and last 250m and so rest is mostly flat along a creek for 2km a pond then wooded trail Grippers useful as well as poles No place for lunch so only a stand up snack

Jura Creek

Considerably less snow and ice than other winters so much of the hike is on the rocky creek bed.  Saying that, there are some sections of ice so micro-spikes are required. The late start is to hopefully provide more sunshine in the valley.